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我知道 Gary Gygax 对 D&D 的贡献巨大，但他也确实有一些性别歧视的言论和行为。承认这一点并不抹杀他的成就，反而能让我们更全面地认识他，并从中吸取教训，避免重蹈覆辙。只有正视历史，才能更好地传承他的遗产。

商业律师 4 回答

Okay, so there's been some drama about the new "Making of Original D&D" book. People are flipping out because the authors, Jon Peterson and Jason Tondro, pointed out that early D&D had some problematic stuff – like making light of slavery, putting down women, and even giving Hindu gods hit points. Wizards of the Coast added a disclaimer saying this stuff was wrong then and is wrong now, but some old-school gamers are calling the authors liars and saying they're smearing Gary Gygax. Were Gygax and Kuntz really sexist? Let's look at Greyhawk, the first D&D supplement. Gygax and Rob Kuntz created a King of Lawful Dragons (good) and a Queen of Chaotic Dragons (evil). It plays into that old idea that male power is good, and female power is evil. Now, some will say that I am reading too much into it. However, Gygax and Kuntz actually commented on this in the book! They wrote, "Women’s lib may make whatever they wish from the foregoing." They knew what they were doing when they made the chaotic evil dragon a queen. People might say Gygax was just a product of his time, but he was called out on this back then. And his response? Well, here's what he said in a fanzine: > “I have been accused of being a nasty old sexist-male-Chauvinist-pig, for the wording in D&D isn’t what it should be. There should be more emphasis on the female role, more non-gendered names, and so forth. I thought perhaps these folks were right and considered adding women in the ‘Raping and Pillaging[’] section, in the ‘Whores and Tavern Wenches’ chapter, the special magical part dealing with ‘Hags and Crones’, and thought perhaps of adding an appendix on ‘Medieval Harems, Slave Girls, and Going Viking’. Damn right I am sexist. It doesn’t matter to me if women get paid as much as men, get jobs traditionally male, and shower in the men’s locker room. They can jolly well stay away from wargaming in droves for all I care. I’ve seen many a good wargame and wargamer spoiled thanks to the fair sex. I’ll detail that if anyone wishes.” So, yeah, Gygax doubled down on the misogyny. The outrage aimed at Peterson and Tondro is misplaced. D&D is becoming more diverse, and that's a great thing! It shows how powerful the game is that it's resonating with so many different people. So, how do we deal with this? We can't pretend there's no problem. New fans will see the prejudice and might just leave. We also can't bury the past. We need to acknowledge the problematic stuff. When we see something bigoted in old D&D, we talk about it. We let everyone know that bigotry has no place in D&D today. Failing to do this hurts the game. It shrinks our community and diminishes the legacy of its creators. Gygax and Arneson were geniuses, but they were also flawed people. We need to acknowledge those flaws to make D&D the cultural pillar it deserves to be.

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Wilson

# 4

To cite a few statistics, 81% of D&D players are Millenials or Gen Z, and 39% are women.

And what will all these new D&D fans think when they realize that a corporation tried to hide its own mistakes from them? Again, maybe they decide D&D isn’t the game for them.

I’m assuming a lot of millennial/gen z dnd players came in via the modern pillars of dnd, Matt Mercer, Matt Colville, Brennan Lee Mulligan.

Those 3 are overtly pro-diversity, and all 3 have expressed the duty of a DM to provide a service to almost every players benefit “if you have fun, I’m having fun”. All 3 have also expressed opposition to gatekeeping the hobby

When you have role models like these to establish what the game is and who can play, then it will be okay engaging in the toxic history of this particular hobby.

If they’re not there, and the diverse values aren’t respected, it’s not as safe because you might walk away, with Gygaxes quotes, thinking the game is literally not for you. And could arguably be right

Having these big influences and draws say “it’s cool guys” makes it feel okay to look back

Gomez2

# 3

While I agree with ABSOLUTELY everything written here, I feel like the Tiamat example is kind of weak because by itself it has lots of plausible deniability and doesn't signify especially significant misogyny. Tiamat is named after a goddess that was an evil antagonist in her own mythology, and if things were flipped around so the Good Dragon God was a female and the evil one was a male, well... that's just an alternate, more benign form of misogyny, really.

The Joramy goddess, the harlot table, the fact that one of the first Dragon magazines suggested ability score penalties for female adventurers, there's so many better examples that are more pervasively indicative of Gary's shitty views without giving him an excuse or an out. I don't even think having an evil goddess counterpart to a good god is necessarily problematic, anymore than I think Gary would be at fault for witches being seen as more evil than wizards. To his fairness he never seems to malign witches outside the non-human Hag and Crone monsters, and he apparently had plans of publishing a Witch class for the version of 2nd ed AD&D he never got to publish.

晚

晚莲花

# 2

Playing since 1986, I never thought D&D was sexist - nor thought that much on the thoughts of its creator because, for one, I never treated Gary Gygax as an RPG God. Second, many women helped forge the early game and I took note of that at the time.

However, the role of medieval fantasy is inherently sexist given that many do not understand the role of women during the medieval period, just the often mistaken tropes of their place within medieval society.

The few D&D novels I read had strong female leads, and often more prominent and wiser than their male counterparts.

My first character, and the plethora afterward, were female.

Gygax had an influence, so far as to say he co-created a game I’ve enjoyed all of my life, and now it is my career.

But just like any decently developed RPG character, Gygax had flaws. However, despite his flaws, he taught me that D&D, and any roleplaying game I am a part of, can be anything I want it to be regardless of what’s lies beyond my sanctum (good or ill).

So, it is disappointing that he had sexist views, but thinking back, I never saw it permeate his work, or if it did, I ignored it understanding it was not how I felt or how life should be.

DoomSlayer

# 1

Let's not overlook the fact that women played D&D from the very start, but it took decades for the game to stop marginalizing them. Look up the story of Jean Wells, the first female designer at TSR. Everyone points the finger at someone else to explain why she was treated so poorly, but it's obvious reading between the lines that pretty much everyone there was a dick to her or at the very least didn't defend her from the people who were. Her original module B3, Palace of the Silver Princess (orange cover) is still a great way to kick off an OSR campaign, every bit as good as (probably better than) Gary's B2 The Keep on the Borderlands.

I was wearing a D&D T-shirt one time and an older woman stopped me (I'm over 50 myself) and told me how back in the 1970s she and her other friends who were all young moms started their own D&D campaign and how much fun they had. Those were the kinds of players TSR was purposefully trying to drive away. I stopped playing after high school and was away from the game for 25 years. When I came back I was thrilled to see how different the vibe was, and how much more diverse the player base is now. It's a shame it took so long, and it should be known that it was a choice made by the designers.